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Thursday, November 10, 2011

Just Curious….

I’ve honestly shied away from a lot of controversy on this blog because I’ve not felt I had the time to deal with comments/questions but, I found this post by a lovely friend and thought it was something to ask your opinion about. This article is concerning having a woman president and our views as Christians, I would love for you to read the entire article and comment on my blog :)!

“I am curious to know what other Christian women (or men) feel about having a female president? For me, I’m thinking that it probably isn’t such a great idea. But I do struggle with it. Would I rather have a liberal in office or a conservative woman?” Kendal from The Father Knows Best

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  1. ShariNov 10, 2011 10:04 AM
    I really like Michele Bauchmann's brand of conservatism. That said, I too have qualms with voting for a woman for president. It could possibly seem a step backward for those of us pushing for a return to traditional family and values. Of course, I am still mulling over this topic and haven't come to a conclusion myself! Thanks for sharing the article.
  2. KendalNov 10, 2011 10:10 AM
    Hopefully your comments will be a bit more friendlier than mine were! 😉
  3. Marcie @ DWYHNov 10, 2011 10:39 AM
    Kendal, me too!
  4. Mrs. PedersenNov 10, 2011 11:03 AM
    I don't care for the idea. I prefer more traditional roles. Plus, it just seems awkward for the "father of the country" to be a woman. But, at the same time, there doesn't seem to be very many choices…
  5. L2LNov 10, 2011 01:06 PM
    I read the post and think it is pure rubbish and based on a twisted, legalistic interpretation of God's Word.
  6. RightthinkerNov 10, 2011 08:01 PM
    I just submitted a comment on the original post. I am a new follower of The Father Knows Best, as well as this blog!

    Women and men have clearly defined biblical roles. There are many problems with women in position of leadership over men and the nation. It simply isn't a biblical role.

    God Bless!
  7. MeganNov 11, 2011 09:28 AM
    I took a whole class on scripture interpretations of gender issues, and we talked about this idea a lot.
    I would gently ask those that believe that there are strict gender "roles" outside the church and home, what do you think about women CEO's, business owners, doctors, lawyers, other types of leadership professionals, etc? The Bible is clear that men are responsible for leadership in church and in their home, but never does the Bible say that women can't in leadership over men in the business or government realm of life. If I am missing scripture that says that, please let me know!

    As far as voting for a woman president, I would have a hard time voting for a woman president if her role as president would interfere with her job of being a wife and mother. I think that I would be more inclined to vote for a woman if she was single or if she didn't have children to care for.

    Obviously for men, the office of president interferes with their role as a husband, so the same would be true for a woman president, so I think the point that the office of president would interfere with her role as a wife is irrelevant, and maybe no one who is married should take the role of president! haha… that is such a joke 🙂

    This comment comes in love and respect for those commenting in spurring each other on to understanding God's truth better.
  8. CatherineNov 11, 2011 08:27 PM
    Deborah in the Bible: judge, leader of Israel, blessed by God, humble and gave God glory….just sayin'.
  9. KendalNov 12, 2011 07:34 AM
    Having a woman in leadership in Israel was actually a very bad sign of the times. It was not meant to be an example for the church.
  10. KendalNov 12, 2011 07:37 AM
    Megan, I believe if we are following the teachings of Titus 2 then there in fact should not be women CEO's. They would be at home serving their families unable to climb that corporate ladder, kwim?
  11. L2LNov 12, 2011 11:22 AM
    Just because you believe something, doesn't make it so. I read the article Kendal cited on her own blog and it is alarming what people will believe, taking bits of scripture to fit what they want it to say. It is not what we do for God but what God does for us. I do give Kendal props in the fact that she will not vote for a female president at least she is selling herself out completely for what she believes, even if it is shackling her into a legalistic lifestyle. But for those who say well I don't think I should vote for a woman but it would be better than what we have now? LUKEWARM and those are the ones that God detests most. I would like to leave everyone with this question: IF at the end of the day you have served your family well and yet shared the gospel with no other person you have met that day, have you served the Lord well. We need to get back to the heart of Christ's sacrifice and understand that their are lost souls who have not heard the Gospel that we keep so neatly tucked into our homes. Wake up people, it is not about our homes or children or husbands or jobs!!!!! Its about sharing the life saving message that we are all sinners and the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ!!!!
  12. CatherineNov 12, 2011 06:47 PM
    Kendal – I'm going to repost what I wrote this morning on your blog:

    "You know those "unearthly" moments one can have, snuggled in bed, right before falling into a deep sleep? Where your brain synthesizes bits of information from your day? Last night my brain was chewing on this topic. It occurred to me, that yes, there are examples of both business savvy homemakers (prov 31) and political leaders (albeit slightly reluctant ones a la Deborah) in the Bible. Yet I don't recall Jesus speaking at length about the virtues of organizing craft ribbon OR leading a country….it all pointed back to serving and loving him. If you are, each day, each hour, step by step – seeking to honor God with your decisions, I believe you will find yourself in the will of God, be it as President or homemaker (or nurse, or doctor or teacher or garbage person)."
  13. CatherineNov 12, 2011 06:59 PM
    One more thing on a more "tongue in cheek" level – can you imagine if every paid job out there was held by a man? Would I want that man to be my lactation consultant? My 3 year old's pre-school teacher? Gee whiz – what would Hallmark cards look like? How would my friend's little girl be doing at ballet?

    I do believe that God calls us to serve Him and to serve our family, and to serve others. I also whole-heartedly believe God doesn't require a cookie-cutter mold (in roles) to do that.

    And let me add….although my husband and I do have mostly traditional home roles (I work part time and stay home with the kids), I am SO thankful for a man who can work, mow the lawn, take down the trash AND cook an occational meal while I re-caulk the tub! (Just one random recent example from our lives). Bless you for being passionate about caring for your family and glorifying God in the process….just know that my 26 year old M.D. sister is able to do the same.
  14. CatherineNov 12, 2011 07:11 PM
    Ekk! Forgive me for hijacking the comments. One more thing regarding Titus 2. Using that passage to say that woman need to not work outside of the home, would also more than imply that slavery is a good thing (verses 9 – 10) But note on the heels of Paul saying that "slaves must be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them…" he states, "so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive." Paul is saying that WHATEVER our circumstances, no matter what life may throw at us, we are STILL to act and conduct ourselves in a Godly manner.

    Ekk! (Last one!) I just read through Titus 3 where Paul warns [me!] to "avoid foolish controversies" and "arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless." Guess I'd better sign off now… 🙂
  15. MeganNov 15, 2011 11:12 AM
    First of all, I want to make this clear, I am not a strict Complementarian or strict Egalitarian, thought I would probably lead toward complementarian. I believe if searching all of scripture to find the truth, and I am on a journey, just like I hope that rest of you are in searching all of scripture of what it means to be a godly woman.

    Ok… Deborah and women leadership. I disagree with you Kendal when you say that having a woman in leadership was a very bad sign of the times. The whole book of Judges was a very bad sign of the times, but if you read carefully, you see that there is a shining light in Deborah. She distinguished herself as the most Godly of all the judges, and she follows the Lord! She is the only judge whose actions and word repeatedly point to God and not away from God. From Chapter 4 in Judges: She is called prophetess (vs. 4), so God gave her spiritual insight, and leadership authority, by giving her the position of judge. People sought her guidance (vs. 5) and instructed Barak about conduct within battle (vs. 9, 14). There are times where woman should step up in the church, if there aren't godly men around to carry out those positions (but on a temporary basis, i.e. until a godly man comes along).

    There are only 4 women prophetesses mentioned in the OT: Deborah is one of them. The others are Miriam (also the first worship leader!), Huldah, and Isaiah's wife.

    I do agree with you the Titus 2 talks about Older women encouraging younger women to be keepers of the home, and that the primary responsibility of a wife and mother is do be in the home. I agree with you that for a w/m, that's is your primary responsibility.

    But if we also look to the Proverbs 31 woman for guidance on what is a Biblical woman, verse 16 says, "She considers a field and buys it; out of her earnings she plants a vineyard". The woman described here, in the culture of the times would be like a CEO of a company when owning a vineyard. Because a vineyard is not a one person job, it would need employees and laborers, it would produce product that would need to be sold, etc.

    So, if we look at the whole of scripture, I don't believe that Titus 2 is expressing the exclusivity of working only in the home, though it is a w/m first responsibility.

    So back to the issue of voting for a woman president…
    I think that I forget that I can't expect non Christian women to live by the same standards that we have as Christian women. Remember that the Bible gives us guidance on how WE should live, but we can't hold others to that standard if they don't know it, or they don't believe. But this a secondary point, and not really where I wanted to go with this.
    Since we are a nation that has separation of Church and state (not that I like that our country operates this way), then the same rules that the bible gives for church and home life are a stretch to government. And again, I mentioned this in my last comment, but what about modern single women, who don't anyone providing for their needs? They need jobs to provide for themselves, they take on leadership roles, and they don't really have a family or home that takes the amount of time to care for that a wife and mother would. Would it be ok for a Christian single woman to run for president and be voted for?
    Again, this is all in love, and not at all comprehensive or complete. This is a very intense subject.
    I respect all of those that have commented.